Also, CVA leadership could use some work..

There have been some interesting comments from both viewpoints, especially the roleplaying aspect of all this. That could be an interesting dilemma of sorts – the fact that a character might make decisions that the player him/herself would not, and just how far can that go.

All I know is, no matter what points are brought up for/against WHATEVER the bottom line of this one is simple.

THEY STARTED THIS. THEY WERE GIVEN AN OUT AND DID NOT TAKE IT.

As long as those two sentences are true, they deserve whatever ass-kicking they get, really without any more discussion. On to the next topic or something……how about that football game (American football, soccer, or whatever sport your country is into) or the Olympics or whatever-the-@#$! ^_^

I think what CVA had achieved in Providence is fantastic and that is the main reason I am so critical of their decision to escalate this conflict.

First CVA will NEVER and has NEVER allowed spying or spies to be placed in opponents membership. I remember a major leadership debate about a year ago about whether to even use info leaked to us by an enemy we had not even solicited let alone placing our own spies. Does not happen. If a holder has done it I guarantee 100% this was not known to CVA leadership. I’m sure it happens but you. have. no. idea. how difficult it is keeping close to 4000 people, most of whom are dedicated to personal wealth or fun on the same page policy wise which brings me to my next point…

CVA leadership seems heavy handed an arrogant to a lot of people. I understand this. But trying to enforce the very policies that have made Providence so successful with thousands of people with their own opinions about how to run things will always create friction. We’re talking 4K+holders and an unknown number of neutral residents (Citadwellers). Sometimes the decrees coming down from CVA seem arbitrary and dickish to the average resident but not once have I not known or discovered a very legitimate reason for them. This reasoning rarely filters down due to sheer diplomatic overload for our leadership.

On a specific note this concept that CVA should change passwords to avoid POS bumping is silly given the mechanics. There is simply no way to securely distribute password changes with frequency to the vast variety of organizations and individuals that’d need it. Until CCP provides another method of POS shield access there is nothing a massively multi alliance group like the Provi block can do. That criticism simply ignores the reality of what Provi fleets are like.

As for the lagtastic capitol loss. Yeah. That was dumb. should never have jumped into that =)

We’ll see how long their RP pride lasts when every ship they own is destroyed and every asset locked in stations they can’t access. Aralis may keep his head high, but his serfs will have long since abandoned him. Sov warfare is more about morale than tactics. -A- has it, Provi has lost it.

Cynoing in again wouldn’t have helped a huge amount. The cyno beacon is a marker we can warp to and the odds are that they would have had the same system change timeout as at the gate.

also, it’s not all that relevant, but CVA did jump their capital fleet in originally at a 500au deep safe – we tackled a moros there but our capital fleet didn’t bother warping because it would have taken literally minutes to get there by which time the rest of the CVA fleet would have already alligned and warped to the POS where their troubles started.

if they were adamant about comming back into the system. they should have at least cynoed in at that point again rather than directly on the gates.