Comments on: The Price Of Death http://www.rifterdrifter.com/2009/10/the-price-of-death/ Held together with duct tape and spewing bullets... Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:19:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Wensley http://www.rifterdrifter.com/2009/10/the-price-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1827 Wensley Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:59:05 +0000 http://www.rifterdrifter.com/?p=736#comment-1827 Yeah, there is definitely a difference between fitting affordable and skimping. I've actually had quite a bit of fun running around Amamake in completely T1 fit Rifters and getting some decent kills. Sure, everyone with the common sense to kite me was killing me but enough people didn't to make it fun. Yeah, there is definitely a difference between fitting affordable and skimping. I've actually had quite a bit of fun running around Amamake in completely T1 fit Rifters and getting some decent kills. Sure, everyone with the common sense to kite me was killing me but enough people didn't to make it fun.

]]> By: Hex Keng http://www.rifterdrifter.com/2009/10/the-price-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1826 Hex Keng Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:51:16 +0000 http://www.rifterdrifter.com/?p=736#comment-1826 I checked your Rifter Fits and they are not exactly cheap, they are reasonable T2 Fits. Some people take the approach to fit cheap T1 mods on all slots of their Rifters and I bet they will all die in a fire to you, no matter how good their ingame skills/character skills/skills in general are. I just wanted to state what happens in a perfect mirror (equal skill, no blob, etc). Sure there might be cheaper mods who in the bigger picture make your fitting better than using the more expensive mod in that slot (AB II vs AB named, because you really need that 1 PG) . But if you fit cheaper - as I described above - just because its your philosophy that you can buy more ships/fittings it might give you some trouble in actual fights. I guess I tend to the "kane rizzel approach" even though I lack the wallet to buy some of the cheaper faction stuff for my ships ;) I checked your Rifter Fits and they are not exactly cheap, they are reasonable T2 Fits. Some people take the approach to fit cheap T1 mods on all slots of their Rifters and I bet they will all die in a fire to you, no matter how good their ingame skills/character skills/skills in general are.

I just wanted to state what happens in a perfect mirror (equal skill, no blob, etc). Sure there might be cheaper mods who in the bigger picture make your fitting better than using the more expensive mod in that slot (AB II vs AB named, because you really need that 1 PG) . But if you fit cheaper – as I described above – just because its your philosophy that you can buy more ships/fittings it might give you some trouble in actual fights.

I guess I tend to the "kane rizzel approach" even though I lack the wallet to buy some of the cheaper faction stuff for my ships ;)

]]> By: Wensley http://www.rifterdrifter.com/2009/10/the-price-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1818 Wensley Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:07:07 +0000 http://www.rifterdrifter.com/?p=736#comment-1818 You're correct that in a straight up, equally skill matched 1 v 1 the better equipped ship should win. In Eve it is never that simple, though. I have killed plenty of, let's call them more expensively fit, ships in my relatively cheap Rifter. Why? Because my in and out of game skills were better.<br /><br /><br />You use the example of a rigged vs unrigged ship but that's not fair at all. If we take your example of two Armageddons and try and scale things up a bit then the difference is that one uses a named web and point, and saves some money using crystalline carbonide plates rather than rolled tungsten. This adds up to something like 1% less armour. This is in no way a clear-cut victory and better overheat management or a number of other things could swing the fight either way.<br /><br /><br />\"So when you fit cheap you not only die to blobs, but also to players who fitted more expensive and fly at least as good as you.\" Half that sentence is redundant because people who fly \"at least as good as you\" are, more than likely, going to kill you anyway with a comparable fit. You're correct that in a straight up, equally skill matched 1 v 1 the better equipped ship should win. In Eve it is never that simple, though. I have killed plenty of, let's call them more expensively fit, ships in my relatively cheap Rifter. Why? Because my in and out of game skills were better.

You use the example of a rigged vs unrigged ship but that's not fair at all. If we take your example of two Armageddons and try and scale things up a bit then the difference is that one uses a named web and point, and saves some money using crystalline carbonide plates rather than rolled tungsten. This adds up to something like 1% less armour. This is in no way a clear-cut victory and better overheat management or a number of other things could swing the fight either way.

\”So when you fit cheap you not only die to blobs, but also to players who fitted more expensive and fly at least as good as you.\” Half that sentence is redundant because people who fly \”at least as good as you\” are, more than likely, going to kill you anyway with a comparable fit.

]]> By: Hex keng http://www.rifterdrifter.com/2009/10/the-price-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1817 Hex keng Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:56:12 +0000 http://www.rifterdrifter.com/?p=736#comment-1817 Fitting cheap will do you no good in a perfectly legit 1on1, where both pilots know what they are doing, only that one of them fitted more expensive and therefore wins. Good example is the trimarked geddon vs no trimarks... he will simply outtank you. So when you fit cheap you not only die to blobs, but also to players who fitted more expensive and fly at least as good as you. Fitting cheap will do you no good in a perfectly legit 1on1, where both pilots know what they are doing, only that one of them fitted more expensive and therefore wins. Good example is the trimarked geddon vs no trimarks… he will simply outtank you.

So when you fit cheap you not only die to blobs, but also to players who fitted more expensive and fly at least as good as you.

]]> By: Wensley http://www.rifterdrifter.com/2009/10/the-price-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1694 Wensley Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:54:05 +0000 http://www.rifterdrifter.com/?p=736#comment-1694 T2 ships can be very, very effective. If you fly them sensibly you can <br />get some very nice kills in them and I don't think it would be too <br />hard to make them pay for themselves - in low sec at least. Personally <br />I tend to say things like \"hmmm, I wonder if...\" too often. T2 ships can be very, very effective. If you fly them sensibly you can
get some very nice kills in them and I don't think it would be too
hard to make them pay for themselves – in low sec at least. Personally
I tend to say things like \”hmmm, I wonder if…\” too often.

]]> By: Kirith Darkblade http://www.rifterdrifter.com/2009/10/the-price-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1654 Kirith Darkblade Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:17:52 +0000 http://www.rifterdrifter.com/?p=736#comment-1654 I noticed ^^ I noticed ^^

]]> By: Wensley http://www.rifterdrifter.com/2009/10/the-price-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1653 Wensley Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:00:11 +0000 http://www.rifterdrifter.com/?p=736#comment-1653 I just flew past you in local :) I just flew past you in local :)

]]> By: Kirith Darkblade http://www.rifterdrifter.com/2009/10/the-price-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1652 Kirith Darkblade Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:38:15 +0000 http://www.rifterdrifter.com/?p=736#comment-1652 Like you Wensley I fly RIfters, granted I only fly them solo.I agree with the philosophy that you quote. That having those extra little bonuses does not outweigh the extra cost in 98% of fights. I would have to be feeling extremely comfortable in my isk balance to take out a T2 ship, not that I have them trained or even planned yet. Using the example of a Jaguar or Wolf I could buy 6-8 fully fit Rifters and probably have far more fun in them and I imagine feel far more satisified when I make that kill in a T1 frigate and certainly less concerned of a fights outcome and the risk of losing my ship. Like you Wensley I fly RIfters, granted I only fly them solo.I agree with the philosophy that you quote. That having those extra little bonuses does not outweigh the extra cost in 98% of fights.

I would have to be feeling extremely comfortable in my isk balance to take out a T2 ship, not that I have them trained or even planned yet. Using the example of a Jaguar or Wolf I could buy 6-8 fully fit Rifters and probably have far more fun in them and I imagine feel far more satisified when I make that kill in a T1 frigate and certainly less concerned of a fights outcome and the risk of losing my ship.

]]> By: Wensley http://www.rifterdrifter.com/2009/10/the-price-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1651 Wensley Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:18:05 +0000 http://www.rifterdrifter.com/?p=736#comment-1651 For me T2 ships are something that I'll bring out in gang but I really can't afford to roam solo in them at the moment. I'm far too suicidal.<br /><br /><br />I know plenty of recon, HAC, AF, and inty pilots who love them for their survivability but I can't see a blob on scan without going to have a sniff at it. For me T2 ships are something that I'll bring out in gang but I really can't afford to roam solo in them at the moment. I'm far too suicidal.

I know plenty of recon, HAC, AF, and inty pilots who love them for their survivability but I can't see a blob on scan without going to have a sniff at it.

]]> By: Helicitcy http://www.rifterdrifter.com/2009/10/the-price-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1650 Helicitcy Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:46:07 +0000 http://www.rifterdrifter.com/?p=736#comment-1650 I am an advocate of T2 fittings. Even after having just become a multi-billionaire by scamming my ass off, I refuse to fit faction modules unless it's for a VERY SPECIFIC purpose. The cost/benefit ratio to justify using them just is not there... why fit a module that costs so much I can buy TWO more ships to have fun with? I am an advocate of T2 fittings. Even after having just become a multi-billionaire by scamming my ass off, I refuse to fit faction modules unless it's for a VERY SPECIFIC purpose.

The cost/benefit ratio to justify using them just is not there… why fit a module that costs so much I can buy TWO more ships to have fun with?

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