Comments on: Assault Frigates: Some Theorycrafting

By: EVE's WeekendWarrior

EVE's WeekendWarrior — Sun, 10 May 2009 17:29:01 +0000

Interesting, interesting.

These are great stats and tables. You should really give them try and test out your theorycrafts!

By: Ebrey

Ebrey — Wed, 06 May 2009 10:02:32 +0000

I´m still a pvp novice, but I´ve lost 2 Enyos. The big issue for me, compared to when I fly my Trasher, is that everybody wants to kill me. And it makes sense. I´ve killed 2 Harpys for the same reason: It´s nice to collect T2 kills:) Ppl seem to 1:Don´t care about my Trasher, or 2: Underestimate my Trasher. When in my Enyo everyone goes berzerk. I´ll probably stop flying them mostly because of that, or just use them in gangs of MORE AF´s, so mine is just one of many. If anyone is sharing my toughts, or disagree, please post!
Regards/ Ebrey

By: Jebei

Jebei — Wed, 06 May 2009 09:19:53 +0000

Wensley,

NIce analysis.

A couple of things: the Harpy has 4 mids, so may well have a web fitted, which will make it much harder to get under his guns at a decent transversal – with small Hybrids tracking at about 0.4, they are not too far behind you. (You seem to be following Prometheus's fit at Scrapheap, which may not be typical of all situations). Also, since shield rigs are only about 3-4m, in the context of a 20m ship the obvious holes will probably be filled to (swap the Mag scatt in your fit for a web & put a 2nd EM screen in the 2nd rig spot). Finally, he will probably have something in the 5th high slot – a rocket launcher or Nos should fit depending on the guns fitted). I reckon you would be in trouble…

When you are aiming to get under the guns, you also need to be careful if the orbit is not circular, which it is not likely to be if he is moving anywhere near your speed: the transversall can vary quite a bit (put angular velocity in your overview if you don't already to see what the variation can be), and he only needs to catch you at a few low angular points to make it hiurt…

You maybe should also mention that the Ishkur could be holding up to 10 Warrior IIs – 5 out at a time and 5 more in the drone bay.

Good stuff.

By: Wensley

Wensley — Wed, 06 May 2009 09:11:43 +0000

I opted to use a fit like Prometheus’ because it is also pretty indicative of the Harpies that I’ve come across and those on our killboard. Looking at the Harpy’s resist holes actually surprised me, I was expecting them to be standard shield resists. A web could be a pretty handy addition to a Harpy. Thankfully if you are making a tentative engagement you’d find out about this pretty quickly and should still have enough speed to get out before you get too close to blaster optimal.

The orbiting thing is the biggest problem with this. All that the Harpy (or other AF) really needs to do is to stop orbiting you and to try and minimise their transversal. You’ll pretty quickly start taking some serious hits. Pilots who are wise enough to do that aren’t really the targets that I’d go after anyway. I guess this is the thing. At the end of the day it takes a bad pilot for there to be any chance of exploiting potential weak spots.

The massive drone bay of the Ishkur just makes it extra horrible. I can just about deal with 5 Warrior IIs if I’m lucky. But ten….

By: Nursultan

Nursultan — Wed, 06 May 2009 08:13:28 +0000

Despite the price tags, I enjoy flying my assault frigs, both Wolf and Jaguar classes, although I'm now trying to be careful with them after losing too many. Also, mostly because they are expensive anyway, I tend to fit deadspace afternurners on my Wolves these days which makes them faster than my Rifters.
I once lost a Wolf to a Rifter in a deadspace plex where he used a Gistii AB to stay at about 20 kilometres and shoot me with artillery cannons. But I don't think this setup can be used anywhere else since MWD frigs will easily kill such a Rifter.
For the record, I returned to that plex in a Rifter with an overdrive, a nanofiber and autocannons and killed that guy after outrunning him by overloading my midslots.

By: Shae Tiann

Shae Tiann — Wed, 06 May 2009 02:00:10 +0000

Interestingly, I used to fit my Enyo with rails…

Mind, that was over a year ago when I first trained for them, and well before QR, but I still have that very first Enyo in my hangar.

By: Jeneral Jane

Jeneral Jane — Tue, 05 May 2009 23:03:43 +0000

Yup, it's always fun going into battle against a Tusker. o7

By: Wensley

Wensley — Tue, 05 May 2009 22:57:55 +0000

Warrior IIs do require some pretty fast thinking. You need to get them webbed and down fast. When I was testing with a corpmate once I was able to down all of his Ishkur's drones but only by flying out of web range. In web range they're an absolute pain.

I knew the name was familiar! I love that the BMCB guys hang out in Adirain. It really gives us both some fun fights. Hope to see you there soon o7

By: Wensley

Wensley — Tue, 05 May 2009 21:03:23 +0000

Her drones? Plural? You sure that was an Enyo? They only have enough space for a single small drone. Perfectly easy to dispatch before settling in to chip away at the tank.

I think you're right about food for thought for other types of pilots. The one thing that has come out of this for me is that I would almost never load Barrage in a Wolf. RF EMP does more damage, has better tracking, and shed loads of falloff with the bonuses. I think interceptor pilots could learn something, too. Disintigrator has demonstrated how useful a thorough knowledge of tracking mechanics can be.

By: Wensley

Wensley — Tue, 05 May 2009 21:00:56 +0000

No idea. It was working absolutely fine for me in Safari today. The site is dead basic so they (or you) might be having connection blips somewhere along the line. Its a cool little site. At some point I'll do an Eve Tools article about it.